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 <title>To XOX：</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;不要太小看香港的孩子&lt;/p&gt;
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 <value>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:31:51 +0800</value>
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 <title>Innocent =\= stupid</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;//沒有蠢才會信以為真罷？可需太認真？ //&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who is stupid? you?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The TV series have many child actors, and no matter the intention, it would attract children to watch. If there are children who believed what is said on TV is true, they are not stupid but innocent. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And why insult audience when it is the &quot;rational&quot; behind that stuipid TV series is wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <title>教師形象</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;誰說香港沒有沖激教師形象的『電視片』？美女教室，攞Ａ冇難度，等等。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;青出於藍，讓人懷舊一下；女王的教室，讓老師發泄一下；又有甚麼問題。沒有蠢才會信以為真罷？可需太認真？&lt;/p&gt;
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 <value>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:33:48 +0800</value>
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 <title>以強制強</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;//套劇始終走不出以強制強的套路//&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, that actually make this show worst than other series target on teachers/students relations.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This show target on primary students, they are children. What it show is that &quot;adult&quot; teacher could get away with picking on children at school, not only because teachers have more power, but also that teachers are adults who could pick on small children.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most of the other series target on secondary schools that actually give it a better balance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What teachers learned in teaching institute is that children model themselves after who is in &quot;power&quot;. In educational psychology, the long term effects of misuse of authority could lead to early depression for children, the feeling of helplessness and despire also lead to thoughts of suicide. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Japanese teenagers have one of the highest suicide in the world. I think the &quot;old&quot; Japanese school system that stress &quot;confirmity&quot; could explain some of the suicide. When you view old Japanese school theme TV series, it is not that difficult to see some alarming &quot;abuse&quot; happening in school.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Japanese school has been reformed in the last 10+ years, and the curriculum design and the teachers education has brought in to consider the mental health of students. Maybe it is time TV series reflect this positive change.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <value>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 08:42:39 +0800</value>
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 <value>XOX</value>
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 <title>變得更強</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;曾有一位老師說她睡覺做夢，學生變成囚犯，鐵鍊鎖腳魚貫進入礦區開礦，而她，則手執皮鞭。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;幻想自己變得更強，這是作為老師不斷重覆演練的邏輯。套劇始終走不出以強制強的套路。&lt;/p&gt;
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 <title>Dislike the show</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;For a simple reason. Mind-games, group-think is just not what children need. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The teacher, knowing the system doesn&#039;t work, instead of changing the system, try to rob children of their childhood (years of innocence before knowing the hard fact of the real world.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The motive behind the teacher is just plain bullshit. She is much weaker than her students, as she realized the system, didn&#039;t try to change it, instead re-inforce it and let children suffered another form of cruelty.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bullshit.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <value>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:55:11 +0800</value>
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 <value>XOX</value>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;其實我喜歡看女王的教室的……&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;題外話：弊傢伙喇我跟主流民意的主張不一樣啊&lt;br /&gt;
個重點係我同親愛既frostig(今次唔「姐」你啦，好唔好？)不一樣啊&lt;br /&gt;
弊傢伙喇喇喇喇喇……(跌入黑洞裡了……)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;入正題：&lt;br /&gt;
1.夠黑暗，勝在個個同學除了和美她們之外，個個都貪生怕死變成真矢的棋子，敢於赤裸裸暴露人性醜惡&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.夠大膽&lt;br /&gt;
起碼香港人拍不出這種作品&lt;br /&gt;
GTO、我miss係大佬、女王的教室&lt;br /&gt;
一套一套沖擊教師的所謂「專業形象」&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;香港的電視台又拍出了什麼嗎&lt;br /&gt;
會是那套兩年前擺在黃金時段播也沒有任何宣傳&lt;br /&gt;
現在變成午間師奶劇場&lt;br /&gt;
在講耶穌之餘不忘加插校長老師學生書記校工n角戀的「青出於藍」嗎&lt;/p&gt;
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 <value>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:47:56 +0800</value>
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 <title>總算認認真真看了半集</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;真矢的恐怖之處在於：一切都在她控制之中。在這個前設下，不用擔心會有「置之死地」後無法重生的情況出現。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;學生說完了，來說說裏面的成年人，那些家長和另一個女教師。作為一個參照，劇集暗示他們就是學生的未來形象：沒有清晰目標，無法自決，順應權力，受了悶氣就躲到K房發洩一通，面對欺壓時，想到的解決之道是依附另一個更強的力量(學生在一開始即搬弄着這些成人的處事邏輯)。估計，真矢本人也曾是他們的其中一員。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;教師本來就是一種權威，而這種權威正因諸多禁忌的捆綁而越見虛弱無力，學生的反權威不是基於獨立思考，而是他們太明白老師的死穴在什麼地方。只有不怕犯禁，教師的權力才得以重新鞏固，其中包括無視各方壓力，甚至流血。讓他見看盡一切醜惡，美麗才能得以彰顯，並得到珍視。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;劇集想說的是改造，對像不是小學生，其實是成年人，與真矢起舞的都是成年人。&lt;/p&gt;
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 <value>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:19:24 +0800</value>
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 <title>哈哈哈</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;他們說：「D學生咁曳，如果我好似真矢咁惡就好！」當然得個講字，呵呵呵！&lt;/p&gt;
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 <value>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:37:30 +0800</value>
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 <title>Huh?  你o的咩朋友黎架﹖﹗</title>
 <link>http://www.inmediahk.net/node/148409#comment-149704</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;咪嚇人好播﹗我都未聽過任何教書/人o既朋友講咁恐怖o既野。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;......&lt;/p&gt;
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 <value>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:41:56 +0800</value>
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 <title>觀眾中的老師</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;我有很多老師朋友，都喜歡看。不是認同理念，只是作為工作悶氣的一種發泄。&lt;/p&gt;
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 <title>大逃殺不是這樣理解的</title>
 <link>http://www.inmediahk.net/node/148409#comment-149030</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;大逃殺是一套極端勵志的電影，確信人定勝天，有信念的人可以衝過種種困難，可以說〔政府來整你都不怕〕。深作欣二的心意是如此簡單，如此純美，可惜不少看的人都收到相反的訊息：大逃殺絕對是政府對學生的迫害，不是訓練。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;可惜大逃殺二變成一套沒有 screenplay 的電影。去看示威場面很容易，看反戰文宣網上大把，我不可以接受電影以非電影的形式表現出來。雖然電影刻意加上很多反戰符號，但是沒有靈魂，觀眾根本看不出導演（不是一個人，而是斷續製作，深作欣二構想電影不久便死去，其志只能牽強完成）的用心的一貫性(integrity)何在。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;我未看見女王的教室最終會醜化她的教學法，這樣女王的教室不能與大逃殺相提並論。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;說清楚一點，我不是因為大逃殺反戰而支持，因為女王的教室崇拜權力而反對，我根本不是反戰者。我不接受女王的教室，是因為劇中符號亂用。功利主義不等於不擇手段，社會達爾文主義不等於互相欺騙。與大逃殺二一樣，我無法觸摸女王的教室導演用心的一貫性何在。&lt;/p&gt;
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 <value>麥當勞</value>
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 <title>女王談到盡</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;雖然庫斯克口稱相信精英主義，但他/她看到了人性的醜惡是女王引發的，和網上一般「好感動啊！真矢老師都係一片苦心！」的天真不同，總算叫人安心一點。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;套劇現在很悶。你有沒有看見開始集集都有真矢老師抱著被同學傷害的和美的鏡頭？這才是劇裡真正的信仰——當你被平凡的同類傷害的時候，真正來保護你的，是那個對你最差的權力掌握者。右到癲。這是權力者的淫穢想像：既滿足自己施虐的欲望，又被視為救主和至親。想點呀咁。&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;還有一些關於《大逃殺》和《女王的教室》的比較，見此。&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://rhetoricalpain.blogspot.com/2006/08/blog-post_29.html&quot; title=&quot;http://rhetoricalpain.blogspot.com/2006/08/blog-post_29.html&quot;&gt;http://rhetoricalpain.blogspot.com/2006/08/blog-post_29.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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 <title>預告：我也寫了一篇</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;不過要等數天才能在這裏刊出。&lt;/p&gt;
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;《大逃殺》的喻意應該不一樣吧。日本政府舉行極惡無道的大逃殺，意不在令青年成長，而在於以互相殘殺控制成人視為威脅的青年。《大逃殺》全劇的目的決不在「叫驕生慣養的小鬼吃點苦頭學好」，而正正在於狠狠否定這種成人強逼青年競爭的權力關係，劃分一元論的勝敗對立。這一點在《大逃殺II》尤為明顯，不可不察焉。&lt;/p&gt;
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