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大個仔

大個仔啦,要識得quote reference,反正qoute references也不是一件很麻煩的事

Sometimes the difference is subtle

BUT ONLY SOMETIMES! For instance, a classmate of mine wrote about the size of her hometown, and was asked to add a proper reference to it. That is sometimes troublesome, as for her, it was a matter of 'general knowledge'. But when we use another angle to think about this, we see that we, as the readers, need to see the official data to have the fact proved.

Quoting and copying are two different things, I agree. If you have learnt from somebody's view, you should tell in your writing, but not only writing it out as a part of your own view, your own knowledge. And not to copy the other's writing is a kind of basic respect, we don't need to learn 'not to copy the homework from the others' in university. It is not a matter whether the reference method is correct or not, as we are not handing in assignments, I also agree, but you have to make people realise which part of the article is written by you, which part by somebody else, for many reasons, not only out of respect. What if the readers want to know more and further about that matter? This is exactly why we put a biblography list at the end of our dissertations.

Anyway, I think copying is a bad habit, nevertheless students in HK have been too used to it. In every secondary school, you can see students copying from each other's homework.

轉載我抄襲還是有分別的

我歡迎別人轉載我的文章，只要留下原作者是誰便可以，就算找不到本來的連結，加一個〔轉載〕的 tag 也可以接受。但總不能轉過去以後當成是自己寫的，那感覺有如強搶，實在難以接受。

這其實正正就是 creative commons 的用意，嘗試在資訊流通和知識產權間作個平衡。

希望

那篇道歉啟事，一點誠意也沒有。香港人普遍都是這樣，為了面子不認錯，或是不當作錯了是一回事。唉，多說也沒用，唯有希望那位蛋撻仔只是小朋友，未明白被抄者的難受吧！

一些疑問

1. 我也認同如此抄襲有點不對勁。

2. 但當今對知識產權權念的推演卻非全無問題，正面言是尊重 "知識原創者" ，但問題是成了知識的產權與私有化 (至少觀念上)。

3. 抄襲在當今學術界是大問題，但剛看到這類將個人感想稍加整理的抄襲文章，到底該怎看待？若用上學術界式的譴責是不是好方法？

4. 因為不是所有博客也曾讀大學，若將大學的規範視為 '普世'的不一定沒有問題。即使讀了大學的，亦不一定認同 (如一種觀點是，知識就是不斷傳承積累的，怎能將某知識歸類屬某人，而抹殺無數先前知識的建立？)

5. 我信確有些人想透過文章抒發一點感受，但又不善為文 (我會聯想香港教育的問題)，當在網上見到一些文章說中其心底話，便很想模仿發表一回。說不定模仿一段時間，便會嘗試以自己文字寫文章。

6. '若' 有人抄我的文章，我不會介意。反而很高興有人認同我的感受與觀點，也許可以跟他/她交個朋友吧！

唔記得？

人地讚佢寫得好，佢又會多謝人喎（Sidekick話），唔記得reference？搵鬼信。

His 『聲明』 is totally unacceptable!!!

It is like photocopying something without 'remembering' where it is from and forgetting to mark down the reference! I can't believe that it is what HK people can say......

For schools and universities in HK, I am not sure, but British institutes take plagiarism very seriously. We thought that HK would follow that rather tightly, but it seems not, according to some of your comments...... A bit disappointed, frankly.

當事人的『聲明啟示』

聲明啟示

對不起！

首先要向各位Blogger說一聲對不起，向關注今次事件的Blogger說一聲對不起，亦要向Hompy的負責人，以及在我未能回應前為我解釋的細仔說對不起。

過去在引文中沒有說明Quote
ref.是我的疏忽大意，亦是我經驗不足輕視了問題。

在別人認同文章時，我沒有借機會說明文章出處，更是非常嚴重的錯失。

一直習慣把網上個人認為值得跟大家分享的圖片/文章/音樂，第一時間就搬字過紙抄了過去一些forum及blog，卻忘記了引用圖片/文章/音樂的作者，此舉實為個人疏忽，並非刻意個人擁有著作權以及傷害任何人。

抽起Hompy內所有圖片/文章/音樂並非逃避問題，實為工作環境不容許我慢慢篩選哪篇是quote哪篇是原作。本想待今晚回到家裡才作澄清，不料事情竟然如此發展，實非我所願。

藉此再向受影響的網友及blogger作者致歉，
希望今次事件能對其他Blogger作借鏡之效，
使得Quote ref.問題更能得以正視。

為表是次道歉的誠意，本篇內容亦已在本人的Hompy上刊登：
hompy.now.com.hk/id/tiff0107

同時，因為我在copy文章的時候，實在為分享多於抄襲，
因此許多原文的出處已忘記了，希望各位知道的話，
以email通知本人：woo_la...@yahoo.com.hk，我一定盡快到作者的blog或文章作出澄清。

p.s. 對Sidekick、williamsin、一帘恶梦等作者說對不起。

抄與死

在本地抄好像不是甚麼大不了，不少本科生的功課很明目張膽地抄書，不要說footnote，連referrence list也夠膽不寫，簡直離譜。在下有一名同學在香港讀書做term paper時抄慣了，去了外國讀書，最初幾乎不懂做footnotes，又不知道用了別人說過的東西就要註明原著人。真的不知道這樣的抄襲文化是如何來的。

聞說在外國，有一大學教授因過往發表的論文給人查出了曾借用人家的論點，而沒加說明當，成自己的觀點，就此便被揪了出來革除教職。在下相信這在外國不是偶然的例子。外國人就是有這種起碼的對「知識」的專重，就這一點來說，香港人是「反知」的。

Plagiarise?

Who is that stupid? In our school, you get 0 marks if you plagiarise. It is seen as cheating in a way. Who can say that it is not serious?

If you plagiarise something, isn't it just like stealing?