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student 與各位，這裡有一慧文，分享之。

港式反世貿，小罵大幫忙 ﹣﹣ 文思慧
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阿晨
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其實呢個網唔止千幾人睇呀, 家陣 inmedia 每日都有大約4500個 unique ips o架!

唔好為小小事鬧交啦

無謂啦, 又搞到自己激氣.

真真假假

我都傻唔晒, 千幾人睇的網講有關自己的全部真話, 唔係誰標籤誰, 既然有人角色扮演, 我又跟隊玩下, 你話齋, 我覆得咁快,話唔埋我係雙失, 隱蔽再加多重人格及身份呢? I also dun want to be named especially in captions. Pls note. 己所不欲, 莫施於人, 大家咁話.

Sorry, can you please not call my name all the time?

I don't like people do that in such negative conversations. I know you are busy, so you can always get online and respond immediately in office hours, so am I! I am working in an office now, and really can't do anything meaningful (i.e. my term papers, mainly), so I surf online when I have fewer tedious tasks to finish. In case you were enjoying your life and celebrating your welth having a lovely vacation abraod so you didn't see it, I am busy lately as I have to finish all my assignments and term papers within these two weeks, so I really can't spend time and efforts in here, even I still come around to search for some useful information, esp. to research on some social issues. I am a serious person, in case you never aware of it even we have encountered each other for so many times before already. I am tired, and I feel so sick already, I don't want to respond to some comments attaching me, so I thank some people to help me strengthen some of my points.

If you even can't stand such basic courtesies, I don't see how you can communicate with anybody efficiently.

I don't want to be your boss, you know, I have too many things to do already, I don't want to be driven mad by a sub-ordinate.

P.S. You don't even know who I am. What is the reason to believe that I am a student and I am a female?

P.P.S. I have the right not to disclose my own privacy, whether if you think you know my identities or not (and whether they are true or not), please stop trying to 'categorise', 'group' or to 'name' me, a thousand thanks! If I let you know it in the past, then it was because of my trust, (even so, it doesn't mean that they have to be true) and I don't want to be judged by any of these meaningless cultural identities at the moment, esp. my personal particulars spread by others, which may or may not be true.

I still write to0 you just because I think you are not irrational like somebody else. I have totally stopped discussion with somebody here, haven't you seen? You should be proud of yourself, sir! Don't be ashamed. I am not planning my term papers now, but typing to you, it is your honour, no matter you care about it or not.

Frostig, our conversation is over

小我唔緊要意思係假設要小,唔係已經小. 總之冇point就唔使答,所謂冇point者,即係果冇頭冇尾,得句反問. 另, 無須扮可憐, 書都未讀完即係同學, 唔該比心機讀好書至係本份, 後生遙遙, 他日飛黃騰達也未可知, 老夫只係大機構小頭目, 話唔埋有朝一日打你工都有可能.

我無小你

That's all.
都唔知邊個惡。

草民(小職員)乞求不要人身攻擊﹐望大皇(高層+ 老闆)開恩。

Frostig

係收爹就收, 唔使擺個様話"法蘭西皇帝", 我係有野請教其他人唔係問你亞Frostig小姐,樓上有人好清楚答我的問題, 我又學野, 先講句唔該. If you are not able to enlighten me in constructve ways and are so unwilling to response, pls don't. Of course, you have every right to do so, 但唔該講有料的, 小我唔緊要,小得有料即可.

本來話明擱筆，

不想再潻火油。

討論至此，重要的題目都展露了自已的雛型。回歸原文的題旨，為甚麼香港工人反世貿，我一直抱持白（ヲ意見，想再歸結的是，世貿框架底下的自由貿易，甚至應推演至國際／地區政經軍事資訊資本不均具體現實情況下的自由主義貿易，絕不應粗疏理解作為「遠方」的「農民」、「發展中國家」、「落後小國」的事宜，主流媒體的論述中呈現了一種失實的圖像，「有人來搞事」「我們如何應變亦減少影響」...... 彷彿香港是置身事外、中立的場地提供者。彷彿全球化是全球的事但不是香港有份搞壞或搞好一丁點的事。故然，香港無情情要搞辦世貿會議是好大喜功，但絕非僅只是好大喜功了罷？連月來的輿論囗術即使不能視為有計謀的政治宣傳或盲動力量展露身段，但現像是，撥反與收編在不住有機的在進行中。

關於世貿的討論，在我們當下後殖歷史的骨節眼上，無法在僅只「經濟學」的線上討論。

關於世貿的討論毫無疑問挑動了民眾與當權者及蠢蠢欲動者的神經，它提出了一籃子關於貿易與政治互為相涉的操作性議題，慣了和平理性和諧作為自我身份認同的許多人，一下又不安了起來。這種不安固然可以再一次撫平，代價是甚麼卻是無人能敢預計的。「強政勵治」可以是答案嗎？是唯一的答案了罷。

「小漁村---製造業城市---轉囗港---金融中心---資訊服務業城市...」神話相繼一個一個都破滅。大嶼山既然千多年前已有南方徙民遷置，更有叛反漢人當權者的歷史，既然明朝的香港已有頻繁貿易，我們還在相信甚麽？抱擁甚麽而死命不放？

世貿是廹在眉睫，各國民眾的事。香港人怎能以為世貿及它象徵的那種政經相涉，抾以文化及軍事力量助其擴的誇國界剝削之範式，為事不關己？

年來我們受著同一種政濟原理及其拙劣模仿的「個別事件」承受了多少傷痛、抑壓？如果由香港人選出來的議員或所謂代表民意的各種專業界別代議士可以無視新自由主義倡議之種種操作之於本地絕大部份受薪階層和待業者的壓搾，無視知識產權、外判化、工種零散化等對民生福利、醫藥及食品安全等的深鉅影響，而可以側側膊唔多覺，與民生環環緊扣的各種問題視而不見啞默無言的話，我們在這個看板上討論、爭辯、說笑、哀傷的朋友。

我們該作甚麽？不該作甚麼？

Thanks, Ivy ST

I am already speechless. Don't care to explain things like that to a certain type of person after a while......
Thanks for being so patient!

re: 錢恨少

我的看法是，美國農民人口雖然不是大多數，但也不算少。而且在美國的政制下，農民（或者應該話係郊區居民）的政治影響力其實比城市人更高。何解？就如選參議員，每州不論人口多少都有兩個位，那麼在人少的州份，每票對參議院組成成份的影響就相對較大。而人口少的州份，農民以至同情農民、保護農業的人口比例較高，選出來的議員自然要聽他們。再者，單由美國人選出來的議員，又怎會關心外國農民的福祉？

Nil

期待student對古的回應。

兩個問題

1奇怪，為什麼這場討論完全脫離原文。從student第一個回應開始，並以農業為例，來爭議我們的立場應該是支持自由貿易，還是反對大國補貼之雙重標準。原文並冇提及本地農夫或農業協定，它以很多本地工人的經驗為例，然後提出「世貿是有益財團，還是工人？」，但都石沉大海。
2另起爐灶之後，阿野的問題也未被處理：即如果我們的立場是支持自由貿易，請說明自由貿易的範圍，再提出根據這網領，面對世貿，我們該做什麼？進一步言，什麼是國際貿易的倫理？