紀曉風 : 假如新民主運動以至新社會運動的中堅,已由中產上一代自動轉賬至80後一代,那麼,政府的麻煩就大矣!理由很簡單,中產上一代講錢,80後一代講理想,而 講理想的人,正如不怕死的人一樣,都是最難對付的。須知道,80後一代要的不是退稅,而是希望,但「許我一個未來」,卻是曾班子的最弱項!
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示威時曾被人用硬物扔中面部,也有內地遊客試過衝過來意圖侵襲我,被警察用種種方意外或故意弄傷當然不消提,更甚的是,自兩年前,不知收過多少死亡恐嚇:有的網上公然組織他人來一起傷害我(甚至提議抗議時對我擲磚頭之類也有!),有的直接寄恐嚇信給我或我的老師們,還多次被人跟蹤到學校、朋友家、甚至自己的家,在敏感時候被警察無故闖入住宅... 父母雖支持我的理念,擔心我的安危,也常常勸我別再抗議、甚至希望我停止公開發言。沒有抗爭,那有改變 -- 然而那有真正的抗爭,是沒有危險的?假如可能威脅到生命就不幹,那我早就跑掉了。
我和其他完旦大遊行當天在場的同伴都是成年人,希望大家尊重我們衡量風險後選擇繼續抗爭的權利;而所謂人踩人的言論,其實也可應於我們至少一半的抗爭上,我們對此簡直見怪不怪,只是過往大部分行動未如今次般被廣泛報導吧。未有經常進行街頭抗爭的網友有可能難以明白的是,警察把示威者包圍而導致極滯迫的情況數之不盡,倘若一有類似所謂人踩人的風險時便要停止抗爭,我們大部分時候都只能舉舉橫額、喊喊口號,影完相(i.e.做完show!),便要立即「和平散去」(i.e.自動收皮)了。
more at: http://chanhauman.blogspot.com/2010/01/blog-post_05.html
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別迷信後組織
別聽某些亂作理論出來扮高深的人說的後組織幻覺吧。
首先,你以為真的是人人都知自己在幹甚麼的嗎?有些人是會看到別人衝就跟著衝的;在遊行中,人會傾向跟著其他人而行動,心理學早就有講。更甚者,群眾人數越多,群眾的行動就越傾向激進。很多時群眾會自己激化的,到最後那些群眾可能會做出自己平時完全不會做的事。
預答:0371是異數,因為香港人本來就非常保守。
第二,如果你要衝,那你如何通知同伴?當你是十個八個時,這不是問題;但當你有一千人時,沒有擴音器的話,根本後排都不會知道你在干甚麼;當你要用擴音器時,人們就傾向聽擴音器指揮的了。
就算你不想要組織,當運動到了一定規模時,組織也自然會出現,不過差別只在你承不承認這是組織罷了。
第三,現在的八十後,有走私軍火的膽量嗎?不然其實只有三十多人的話,又能玩得出甚麼花樣?
第四,別把無組織當成後組織吧。
扮高深??
so we have some beliefs that you might not agree with or understand
thanks for such a constructive comment, paulymh
你以為真的是人人都知自己在幹甚麼的嗎?no, but i do
and it's not for you or me or anyone to decide what another adult should or should not do
thats just paternalism i can't accept
如果你要衝,那你如何通知同伴?i don't see what you're trying to say. whats wrong with me notifying my 同伴?
當你是十個八個時,這不是問題;但當你有一千人時,沒有擴音器的話,根本後排都不會知道你在干甚麼;then they wouldn't come and if they came without knowing why, then they should also take responsibility for their choices.
不會知道你在干甚麼? we chanted that we want to go to the china liason office and asked the police to make way SOOO many times before going over there
so i think its quite a stretch to say that people would have no idea what we were doing
就算你不想要組織,當運動到了一定規模時,組織也自然會出現,不過差別只在你承不承認這是組織罷了。 i don't think you're right
i think we can consciously resist it
besides, a lot of people who decided to join us on the spot were people we didn't know before
現在的八十後,有走私軍火的膽量嗎?AHAHAHAHA
so if we don't 走私軍火, it means we have no 膽量 or something? and that you're so rad for asking whether we'd be willing to do this
i don't think i would want to 走私軍火 at this point, but if you want to ask 不然其實只有三十多人的話,又能玩得出甚麼花樣?
then i have 2 answers for you:
1)you saw what happened on 1/1. we took action, and SO many people follow: thats the point - i don't know what 花樣 you expect and what you count as 花樣, but we have made changes, however small they are. and when we were done, it wasn't just 三十多人. it was so many more who were also sick and tired of all this.
2) you should go 走私軍火 yourself if thats the only way you can think of to 玩得出花樣
其實不用走私軍火
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