點解禁慾? 是經濟原因? 殖民統治? 功能性婚姻觀? 基督教? 禁慾城市對整個城市的社會心理又有什麼影響?
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When lovemaking gets put on the shelf
By Steven Chen (China Daily)
...According to a
survey by condom maker Durex on sexual habits of people around the
globe, Hong Kong locals are, for the fourth year in a row, having much
less sex than the global average.
Hong Kong people engage in
sex 78 times a year, well behind those on the mainland and miles away
from the lusty Greeks who are amorous on 138 occasions. The global
average is 103, the survey said.
回應
Time?
I guess it is time. HK people are just lack of time.
After 12 hours of work, plus two hours of traffic, what else one would do back home except sleeping? Maybe taking a shower, possibly eating something, but then, any energy and mood left for other things? No time to relax at all. Poor Hong Kong people.
Everybody work....
Hong Kong people may just lack the sex drive. Or have prohibition when it come to sex....
Or just not good at getting into the "mood for love"....
There is something lacking. Why not think about how the society view women who like sex? Who not only have healthy sex drive, not exercise their desire by having sex?
The society have forbidden sex for young women who don't want to get married, at least not yet.
University students who have sex become news. This is the anti-sex society Hong Kong people are living in.
And while we are on the subject. Why don't men think it is fine to pay for sex, while condamning women who do it for free?
Of course, the ant-sex over-conservative-right-wing-Christian-Church-dogma didn't really help. If it is up to them, everyone would be wearing chasity belts.
Hong Kong environment
Hong Kong is lack of privacy! Well when compares with Taiwan, Hong Kong people are too prudence, some due to hong kong people lack of a private place to themselve. In other countries, most of the poeple are leaving their home and move near their work place. So, they are free from their parent's restriction and prohibition! Obvious, both man and woman are having sex desire and it is natural desire.
Paying for sex, both man or woman could do. But it has to say, paying for sex is a trading, and it would not expect for further development and contribution. However, if woman alleges having sex for free partner, it needs to make clear whether it involves a factor of cheating?
Gender bias in Hong Kong Culture
First, let's stick to free agents (single men and women).
Well, culturally, women seldom pay for sex. Actually to the local sex workers rights NGO, there are really few and in-between women customers.
But that is the minority.
For the majority, why don't they have sex? Japan, like Hong Kong, is let of space. Lovers still check themselves into motels.
I think it is the anti-sex atmosphere that lead to this situation.
Women have learned to not to ask for sex, or to even express sexual desire. I have heard that once the men have sex with their partners, they no longer treasure them as much. (The virgin and slunt images of woman for many local men).
If that is true, (and for the fun of it, let's pretend it is somewhat true in this situation), not permitting women expressing their sexual desire, and labelling men that express their sexual desire as "salty and wet" (don't ask me to explain that because I simply don't know), would lead to lack of initiation of sex.
Don't you think it is the case? Or is it all because I hanged out with a group of overly educated but under sex Hong Kong friends.
女權地位
你的問題, 我在很多年前已有答案! 問題在於香港的文化, 香港的女權地位是全球少有的高, 相對亞洲並他地方是十分少有o 而香港奕是十分功利主意的地方o
Curious to know your answers
So what is your answer?
I do think it is the Upper/Middle class women who seems to achieve to the status closer to men's.
But Hong Kong is far from Gender equal. And when it come to sex, due to the cultural restriction, even the women who have status have only the power to say No to sex, and not yes to sex.
For the women in far less equal relationship, the have little power to say no, but could still not express their own desirable "yes", when it is not agreeable to the men they are with.
完全唔同意你的觀點
完全唔同意你的觀點:
香港的女權是十分高的地方, 舉例如: 女性在辦公室向男同仕作出單眼cute 臉, 男的可會作出投訴這位女同仕性騷擾o 相反, 如男的對女的作出同樣動作, 結果可能完全唔同!!
什麼 motel, hotel whatever.....是普遍嗎? 而且, 香港在motel出現的多是職業女性o
自古便有說: 男追女隔重山, 女追男隔重紗o 祗怕是香港女性過度自信(傳統上)o
Gender inequality and anti-sex teachings
//香港的女權是十分高的地方, 舉例如: 女性在辦公室向男同仕作出單眼cute 臉, 男的可會作出投訴這位女同仕性騷擾o //
It really make me laugh that you think that women status is "high" in Hong Kong because you think women could make a pass at men and not the reverse (not true btw).
First, women rights status (香港的女權) is not really that high in Hong Kong. For working women, they still have to bear the burdens of housework on top of the work they have to do. Women in managerial positions are relatively low when compare to men in Hong Kong.
Second, either man or woman who think that he/she has been sexually harassed, could report to their boss or the Equal Opportunity Commission. The Sex Discrimination Ordinance in Hong Kong is gender neutural.
//什麼 motel, hotel whatever.....是普遍嗎? //
There are a lot of hotels and motels in Hong Kong. Probably because of the tourist industry, yes, it is very common to see hotels/motels in Hong Kong.
//而且, 香港在motel出現的多是職業女性o
自古便有說: 男追女隔重山, 女追男隔重紗o 祗怕是香港女性過度自信(傳統上)o //
This is another laughing point.
What do working women have to do with anything, except you think that just because they are working, they are "overly confident" (but still don't know how you could jump to this conclusion, when it seems not to be linked.)
First, there is no indication that women in Hong Kong are over confident
But there is a study of Hong Kong men that they are really overly confident, and lack gender equality concept.
"常 說 香 港 女 權 主 義 抬 頭 , 但 原 來 港 男 更 是 「 自 大 狂 」 。 一 項 有 關 男 性 「 社會 性 別 自 我 認 知 」 調 查 , 去 年 底 在 北 京 、 上 海 、 台 北 及 香 港 進 行 , 結 果 發 現 受 訪 港男 傳 統 「 男 強 女 弱 」 性 別 觀 念 根 深 柢 固 , 66% 認 為 男 人 要 比 妻 子 有 錢 有 地 位 , 顯 示缺 乏 男 女 平 等 意 識 , 不 少 方 面 均 較 接 受 調 查 的 其 餘 三 城 市 遜 色 。
在有 關 自 我 認 知 不 足 問 題 上 , 受 訪 的 本 港 男 性 選 取 的 不 足 之 處 , 亦 是 各 個 城 市 中 最 少, 平 均 每 位 受 訪 者 在 七 項 「 自 我 不 足 之 處 」 例 如 無 事 業 心 、 不 夠 剛 強 勇 敢 、 對 家 庭事 務 參 與 不 足 , 平 均 只 選 取 了 兩 項 。 黎 偉 倫 認 為 這 反 映 港 男 充 滿 自 信 , 或 可 說 是 自我 反 省 不 足 的 「 自 大 狂 」 。"
I don't think women believe that it is easier for women to chase after men. Due to the very conservative and narrow gender roles concept, it is still men who have more "rights" to initial sex than women. It has nothing to do with the confident of women (professional women or not make little difference), but everything to do with gender inequality.
If the Hong Kong culture accepted the fact that there is such a thing called gender equality, there would probably more sex happening in Hong Kong.
And don't forget the anti-sex, pro-gender-inequality Christian Church teachings in Hong Kong.
//Yau also believes Hong Kong's strong association with Christian teachings plays a part.
"There are a large number of people in Hong Kong who are deeply religious and follow Christian values. And these values forbid sex outside of marriage or sex only in relations to having children," Yau said.
In this case, "some couples are having sex rarely, if at all. And there are a significant number of people, many of them women, who abstain from sex until they are married. So if they are not married, they may not be having sex."//
For the most part, Hong Kong men and women who attend these anti-sex Churches may learned to suppressed their sex drive, so much so that it become part of their lives. These people maybe sexual dyfunctions even if they have to opportunties to have sex.
When christian compare with moslem
When christian compare with moslem, christain are very loose in restict the beleivers habits!!
Hong Kong single man or woman seldom to have sex relationship....one of the most important factor is there are many entertainments other than sex...and living in hong kong is hard to get a private place for the young couples. But it has to say, there is not retriction or prohibition to forbid the lovers to have sex pre-married.
People who are living in environment lack of entertainment would likely have hinher brith rate! That is iron fact!
Gender equality never reached in any countries because the body structure of man and woman is different!! But in Hong Kong, woman status is relative high when compare with other south east asia!!
Money
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幼稚
問政府, 唔買橙便食蕉!
不知所謂
"常 說 香 港 女 權 主 義 抬 頭 , 但 原 來 港 男 更 是 「 自 大 狂 」 。 一 項 有 關 男 性 「 社會 性 別 自 我 認 知 」 調 查 , 去 年 底 在 北 京 、 上 海 、 台 北 及 香 港 進 行 , 結 果 發 現 受 訪 港男 傳 統 「 男 強 女 弱 」 性 別 觀 念 根 深 柢 固 , 66% 認 為 男 人 要 比 妻 子 有 錢 有 地 位 , 顯 示缺 乏 男 女 平 等 意 識 , 不 少 方 面 均 較 接 受 調 查 的 其 餘 三 城 市 遜 色 。
在有 關 自 我 認 知 不 足 問 題 上 , 受 訪 的 本 港 男 性 選 取 的 不 足 之 處 , 亦 是 各 個 城 市 中 最 少, 平 均 每 位 受 訪 者 在 七 項 「 自 我 不 足 之 處 」 例 如 無 事 業 心 、 不 夠 剛 強 勇 敢 、 對 家 庭事 務 參 與 不 足 , 平 均 只 選 取 了 兩 項 。 黎 偉 倫 認 為 這 反 映 港 男 充 滿 自 信 , 或 可 說 是 自我 反 省 不 足 的 「 自 大 狂 」 。"
一 項 有 關 男 性 「 社會 性 別 自 我 認 知 」 調 查 , 去 年 底 在 北 京 、 上 海 、 台 北 及 香 港 進 行 , 結 果 發 現 受 訪 港男 傳 統 「 男 強 女 弱 」 性 別 觀 念 根 深 柢 固? 為何不說日本?? 台灣受日本文化影響根深柢固! 你所說的 社會 性 別 自 我 認 知 」 調 查是什麼?? 是關於女權地位嗎??
别越扯越遠啦! 請看看標題和你在討論的是什麼!!?? 如要討論性別歧視或女權, 可另開一標題!!
七 項 「 自 我 不 足 之 處 」
"常 說 香 港 女 權 主 義 抬 頭 , 但 原 來 港 男 更 是 「 自 大 狂 」 。 一 項 有 關 男 性 「 社會 性 別 自 我 認 知 」 調 查 , 去 年 底 在 北 京 、 上 海 、 台 北 及 香 港 進 行 , 結 果 發 現 受 訪 港男 傳 統 「 男 強 女 弱 」 性 別 觀 念 根 深 柢 固 , 66% 認 為 男 人 要 比 妻 子 有 錢 有 地 位 , 顯 示缺 乏 男 女 平 等 意 識 , 不 少 方 面 均 較 接 受 調 查 的 其 餘 三 城 市 遜 色 。
在有 關 自 我 認 知 不 足 問 題 上 , 受 訪 的 本 港 男 性 選 取 的 不 足 之 處 , 亦 是 各 個 城 市 中 最 少, 平 均 每 位 受 訪 者 在 七 項 「 自 我 不 足 之 處 」 例 如 無 事 業 心 、 不 夠 剛 強 勇 敢 、 對 家 庭事 務 參 與 不 足 , 平 均 只 選 取 了 兩 項 。 黎 偉 倫 認 為 這 反 映 港 男 充 滿 自 信 , 或 可 說 是 自我 反 省 不 足 的 「 自 大 狂 」 。"
反問, 在 北 京 、 上 海 、 台 北 及 香 港 四地議會的男女比例是怎樣呢??
黎偉倫是誰? 此人也應諶稱七首!!
Wrong channel
//When christian compare with moslem, christain are very loose in restict the beleivers habits!!//
Not really, actually Church anti-sex teachings have much more damaging effects in Hong Kong when compare to Muslims. That may deal to the fact that there are fewer Muslim in Hong Kong, and they don't try to "push" their stand to non believers like those anti-sex-Church-goers do.
//Hong Kong single man or woman seldom to have sex relationship....//
How do you know? But that is exactly on topic, why don't they have more sex? Is it because of work, space, or culture? Or a little bit of all of the above plus some more.
//one of the most important factor is there are many entertainments other than sex...//
So, sex is antertainment for you. That is interesting...
Other countries have a lot of competative "entertainment" too, so why do they have sex more often than Hong Kong people? Are you suggesting that other form of entertainment is actually preferable over sex for Hong Kong people?
//and living in hong kong is hard to get a private place for the young couples.//
Asked and answered. There are motels, there are little apartments for rent in the outer islands, there are hotels.
//But it has to say, there is not retriction or prohibition to forbid the lovers to have sex pre-married.//
Of coures not. Consent adults could have sex if they want. Tis go back to the point of inequality of genders, not able to initiate sex for owmen...
//People who are living in environment lack of entertainment would likely have hinher brith rate! ///
Really? Any proof or evidence to back that up?
//That is iron fact!//
Not until you could prove it. And by the way, US has a lot of entertainment too, in term of television channels, theatres, plays, concerts etc. They still rank at the top of having frequent sex. So having other form of entertainment would not really affect the rate of couples having sex.
//Gender equality never reached in any countries because the body structure of man and woman is different!!//
That is not only sexist, anti-equality, but plain stupid.
Men and women are equal in rights. Being different biologically is no excuse for inequality.
The same excuse have been used for excusing racist behavior, sexist behaviors, and all other form of prejudice and discrimination.
That go back to the point of Hong Kong men lack gender equality concept.
//But in Hong Kong, woman status is relative high when compare with other south east asia!! //
Again, not being the worst city in the world for having gender inequality is nothing to be proud of. Or is Hong Kong being an international city, is in name only.
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真折墮的討論!!
birth rates and sex are different
third world countries usually have higher birth rates, but their gender relation is very unequal. birth rates is not equal to sex rate.
but i don't think both can stand alone as indicator of gender equality.
阿戊
香港笑貧不笑娼, 女人要性何需感低賤呀!!?? 轉行當娼便日日有新鮮囉??
何必以一哭, 二鬧, 三上釣方式去宣揚歪理!!