我對此是大有保留，我真不相信這就叫博雅教育。

It sounds interesting, although a bit boring. At least I think that it is helpful for the coming years' study. I mean, at least, referencing is the most important thing a HK student should learn before getting in university. By the way, 'orientation' means something like 'guiding', showing the 'direction', in fact, what else do you expect? And why? You think that the school should tell you how and when to break the school rules without notifying the school? Or tell you which carteen is the cheapest or with the tastiest food? The more practical things should be experienced and experimented by yourselves, even though not against the will of the school management.

Maybe what you mean is that three days is not enough for so many information, then I may agree, but if they ask you to spend too many days in all the 'official orientation activities', you wouldn't have enough time to do your own orientation in your own way. If I were a teacher, I should make sure all my students know some basic rules in the school, just to facilitate their own studies, not any of the others' benefits...... I doubt if any student would read the student handbook, and I suppose that's why the school needed to present all these by talks, instead of leaving them to yourselves to read. If you don't TELL them and them they don't know, they would complain and justify why they didn't know it. Frankly, if all students can 'handle' themselves properly, and be independent, I see no point why the school would have done that. It is not only for marketing, if you ask me.

I suppose you are a good student, in one aspect or another, but not all students are. I have been making it too clear here already, just in case you don't understand...... You have to think in another angle, another perspective. I have met too much uni students who can't even take care of themselves. Perhaps when you meet them, you understand the good will of the school in arranging such boring talks. Bear in mind that the people who gave the talks would also think that it was boring, normally.

可以考慮的是UOP的權力問題：
校方是用其權力，強迫新生出席一個又一個他們可能認為沒有用的講座(Show?)；我不知道今年如何，只知道上年不參加的話要有合理理由作書面解釋(有沒有人知道如果不這麼做會有甚麼後果?)，15個ILP更是不用說了。(ILP = Integated Learning Point，LU 學生要夠75分才可畢業。) 我們可以討論，校方這樣運用其權力是否合理?

例外，用「鬧衰」二字是用得不太合適吧~

看i石兄的嶺大O camp 劫後餘生記之一，我深深對嶺南大學的做法十分不滿。不滿的是一所自稱推行博雅教育的大學，連基本大學的理念也不明白。在此，筆者想介紹一篇文章給陳坤耀教授閱讀，是龍應台博士的〈幼稚園大學〉(見〈野火集〉) 。

早於1985年，龍應台博士已經看到大學不應將大學生當幼稚園學生。教育者繼續「哺育」當大學生，只會做成惡性循環。大學正正是大學生甩掉奶咀的時候，讓我們的大學生從身成為有獨立分析和自主自決的個體。

李兄，你repeat左幾次回應，可否delete左重複果幾篇呢？謝謝

領男兄,

我delete 不到, 你可否待勞?

I believe, if you see it from another angle, it is totally different, Issac.

If you know that a child would not follow totally the rules, are you prepared not to tell them any of them at all? They are just giving advises and suggestions, trying to convince you by giving reasons (whether you think they are reasonable or not), just because they treat you all as adults. Do you think that because they believe the students wouldn't follow all the rules and regulations, so they should simply save their breath and let you do whatever you want? For me, this is not education.

Remember the story of a thief biting her mother after getting the sentence? He wasn't told that stealing was wrong when he was small, so his fault was also his mother's fault. Why you have to see the kind suggestions as 'answers' to some possibly inexistant question?

In contrast, your '靜靜雞' has given the answer. Why '靜靜雞', why not openly? If you never knew that it should not be done, why you would '靜靜雞' do it? Maybe you won't listen immediately, but it has already had some impact on you. We can't demand people to change their point of view and behaviour just like that, we need time. The important thing is that, you should think about what you have heard and understand it, then ask yourself what is correct and what is not. In U already, students should have independent thinking, guidelines are given, you are the one who is responsible to THINK! So, next time when you 靜靜雞 photocopy the books, you remember what you were told and your conclusion on this matter. Also, ask yourself why you still do it when you need to 靜靜雞 do it.

如題

For 500 to 600 students, how can they arrange interactive activities? Also, regarding the teaching staff, I doubt if anybody is able to do such 'lectures'. Only if they invited some drama groups or specialists they could possibly do something similar.

And also, I personally believe that things like table manners aren't 'unnecessary', as it is just a small detail of 'politeness' and 'courtesy', rather basic, but not being pretentious or anything like that. Just like, if you use the left hand to eat in front of some Indians, guess what will happen? Do the right thing at the right time with appropriate manners is just a respect. If you want to annoy the foreign friends, it is still your choice afterall, but at least you have been informed, so when you CHOOSE TO DO SO, you are not embarrassed.

Table manner may not be "unnecessary", but is it worth using so many professors' and students' time, and through forcing them to attend in order to teach?

UOP seems to assume students can't 'handle' themselves and be independent. but by providing everythings for them, just make them never grow up. such orientation sounds strange and taste like those orientation ceremanies we had in early secondary schools.

from my own experience, i need to read much stuffs before getting in university. at first i felt annoyed because no one tell me what to do. but after that, i learn much better how to decide my own studying and living schedule and style, not just work out what is decided by others. i think it's something that worth learning. there won't be any orientation in the real world society, right?

if students don't read student handbook, why not just let them take a lesson? it's meaningelss to force them to do the right thing but letting them no chance of real learning.

Why sometimes even university students don't know how to take care of themselves? in fact, there are too much protection around us throughout our growth that we simply don't need to learn how to take care of ourselves. looking from another angle, protection (with guidelines,rules,etc.) is just another kind of control on both behaviour and mind.

UOP just killed two birds (publicity and student QC) with one stone (UOP).

... even if you treat them well, those students don't understand lor...

I don't see why giving a briefing is so annoying to them. If so, maybe lectures are very boring and annoying as well (not all teachers are teaching well in uni), why do they study in universities at all???