(From: http://eulertruthbible.wordpress.com/2007/07/14/about-noahs-ark/)
(Use common sense to rebuttal what HKSAR spent millions taxpayer's money to prove.)
(用常理去看看所謂挪亞方舟的事實,花掉納稅人幾百萬公帑的馬灣創世公園根本不值一駁,香港是如此的有創意?把神話當事實,把6四事實反而當神話?)
(全譯沒有心機,只譯重點:
香港最近上了一套叫挪亞方舟的電影,根本是美國基右想把明明是神話寓言的事「升格」為事實,以假亂真,香港居然有人信以真,簡直痴線。挪亞方舟本源於一份德國報紙的愚人節的笑話,基右弄假成真,以致世上的基督教徒都成了被嘲笑的對象,信者果然是愚人!
我的質疑為,如果真有挪亞方舟一事:
1. 挪亞一家如何實際上執行把當時全世界所有的物種各取一對的任務?物種小說也有過百萬之多,以挪亞一家的知識、能力及當時的技術條件,如何維持牠們在船上的正常生活也成問題,不要忘記還有數以千計肉眼看不到的細箘及微生物,還有病毒?如何搜集,如何管理?
2. 世界各民族不少都有大洪水的記載,但是和聖經創世記一樣,都稱它民族是世界唯一的生還者,在邏緝上不可能全部為真,必有一真一假,除非這些記載都是由它民族中心出發,所以自然當其他民族死清,因此即全部都是假話,包括聖經的挪亞方舟。
3. 全世界人類豈不是都是挪亞一家的子孫?如此一定可以由DNA檢驗出,何解到今天還沒有具體的證據證明呢?
4. 全世界人類不單都是挪亞一家的子孫,而且一定是由亂倫所出,因此人類DNA的同質性會十分高,發揮不了有性繁殖改良血統的作用,為什麼當時頻頻發生的瘟疫沒有令人類絕種呢?
5. 我無記錯的話,挪亞方舟的故事是在聖經創世紀附近,主流基督教都以為創世紀是一個比擬和寓言,並非真有其事,除非是超有智慧的基督教原教旨主義者只懂一字一句讀聖經,是他們發現了什麼來證明創世紀原來真有其事?
通識教育的好題材,該電影想好一點是真心膠,想差一點是大話連篇,存心欺騙!)
In the midst of busy affair, I always remember to write to my friends.
There is Christian friction movie go mainstream on air in HK a few
days ago. The name is ‘Noah’s Ark’. Now I realize human stupidity
(like universal suffrage under People’s Republic of China) is indeed
infectious. The naivety of American Christianity spread like wild
fire. It is amazing that many HK smart citizen would fall into traps
that some barely literate Chinese would found ‘humorous’. The movie is
pretending to be a fact. The so-called found ark is a April Fool’s
Joke first appear in a German newspaper, you may call it a setup by
humanist to making fool of Christian: They create these so-called
evidence of Biblical Truth (I don’t quite get the difference between
Biblical Truth and Truth, how true is truth here?). Okay, assume they
really did found something. It only demonstrate how lack of
intelligence of this explorer.
Question: 1. Is the event of collection a pair of each animal
happened during the supposing Noah’s Ark event PHYSICALLY possible?
Question: 2. Since many legend talk about a great flood, and each
nation’s legend often have their own ancestor in the place of Noah’s
family, so who did survive? Or we all think other doesn’t survive
except our own race? Certainly all of them can’t be true at the same
time.
Question: 3. If this event is true, we should all able to trace our
DNA back to a single ancestor, how does this very important evidence
hold up in research? However, remember you can’t prove an antecedent
by providing its consequence. Unless you are making up logic like me
do, ha, this is just my theory.
Question: 4. If all of us are coming from the same ancestor, then
we fall into the category of incest. As we don’t have new blood in the
gene pool, the only consequence would be the degradation or decrease
in variability of human race as a whole, it would indeed be a miracle
that plaque and virus doesn’t wipe out humanity.
Question: 5. If my Biblical memory do hold up, I believe this story
is found close to the book of creation. Obviously the story of
creation has to be an analogy, except the ultra intelligent
fundamentalist. It is reasonable to assume that story is also an
analogy.
This would be an excellent material for liberal education. I thought
myself is one of those minority who lack common sense(I do), can’t
tell east from west. This movie, at best, is a honest mistake; at
worst, it is an attempt to deceive. FUD for unchurched people? If this
logic is right, then we may expect PRC’s deny of democracy in HK is
indeed for the sake of HK future.
回應
This makes no sense. Is there
This makes no sense. Is there a Chinese original that's written more clearly?
It is odd that my friend can actually understand me
My unique way of utilizing English!
A note
1. A version of creationism suggests that there were just several species of animals, and evolution did happen after the event of Noah's Ark. (It is a hybrid of creationism and evolution)
2. The oldest possible version of the Flood maybe come from Sumerian. It simply says a flood occurs and someone survives in an ark. However, it does not say that the flood kills everybody not on the ark.
3. Indeed there are DNA evidence that we come from a single female and a single male ancestor. However they are millions of years apart.
4. It is said that human faces extinction about 600,000 ago. A gene mutated so that we are clever enough to survive.
About Q3 and Q4, please be careful that your wordings may also oppose the evolution theory as well.
殺雞用牛刀
其實聖經話 Noah 幾多歲死,就足夠判斷聖經有幾可信啦,本聖經咁荒謬,殺雞駛乜用用牛刀呀?
English (forgot this thread is English).
Just look at the age when Noah is dead. The bible is so ridiculous that we do not need a long argument to defeat it. When Noah is just a nonsense, Noah’s Ark is simply a joke.
神話矣﹐豈得當真
挪亞方舟同三黃五帝一樣﹐並不是信史﹐不過是古代神話矣﹐豈能當真。
聖經唔當真,點做基督徒?
問 hevangel:
做得基督徒,就要信聖經係神的說話,個別翻譯有出入可以爭拗,邊本算「偽書」亦可以爭拗,但如果在這方面無爭議下,仍然唔信挪亞有 950 歲命,咁,做乜基督徒?家下基督徒可以連聖經咁基本的信條都可以選擇性相信個咩?
我唔信,當然視聖經係神話啦。
後加:再者,如果那些人不相信有挪亞,他們還會去找挪亞荒舟嗎?
天主教同聖公會
最老字號的兩間教會﹐就唔認為創世紀是歷史文獻﹐而是寓言式富像徵性的經文。重點不是發生了什麼事情﹐而是故事入面的教訓。聖經是神是說話﹐不等同神只可以說歷史事實吧。舉例聖經有本約伯記﹐講約伯記受魔鬼折磨﹐產生質疑神的難題﹐沒有人會認為真係有個人叫約伯存在過吧。又例如李白說朝如青絲暮如雪﹐你也不會認為李白真係一日之內白晒所有頭髮啦。
正如只懂燒香拜佛保平安的佛教徒是低等佛教徒﹐高等佛教徒要學佛理學禪修的道理一樣。信挪亞方舟是歷史的那些基督徒是低等基督徒﹐高等基督徒不會執著挪亞方舟入面有隻動物﹐而是要學懂這個故事帶出的道理。
再舉例
再舉例有本書叫聖經﹐講神怎樣的愛人﹐叫人不要質疑神﹐沒有人會認為真係有個神存在吧。而是要學懂這個故事帶出的道理: living in cushioned lies are sometimes easier than living in the harsh reality. christians, regardless of their 等級, are all willing to take those lies.
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假如方舟不是神話
http://www.inmediahk.net/node/1007469